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September 13, 2008

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michael webster

Rankings are notoriously difficult to defend or explain on measure theoretic objective grounds.

Nobody cares that most rankings are measure theoretically meaningless, we are too busy pronouncing ourselves to be #1.

This particular ranking arbitrarily assigns weights to to five decision criteria in order to obtain a trade-off.

There is no justification for using these weights, nor is any explanation offered as to why the trade-offs between these criteria can be modeled as if they were probabilistic weights.

Think for a moment on how you would decide between clerking for the Supreme Court and taking a job a firm ranked highly by Lexpert. Would this trade-off make any sense using simply weights?

If not, why would you expect the ranking of law schools using weights to measure the relative importance of these two decision criteria?

Oh, I forgot - to get a number, a meaningless number.

Brian Leiter

Thank you for the comments, which raise several good points. It goes without saying that rankings of academic institutions, even when done reasonably well, use measures that are "reasonable but incomplete." The point you make about Supreme Court clerkships is one I was aware of, but the real question is: how to offset the bilingural effect? This is a genuine question. The provincial courts, as I understand it, overwhelmingly hire from schools in the province. Moreover, like the Canadian Supreme Court, they are bizarrely secretive about whom they hire.

I would like to complement the citation measure with a reputation measure. Even with peer-reviewed journals, I'm skeptical of productivity measures for a whole host of reasons. Some have suggeset dropping untenured faculty from the citation measure, which might make sense--I've now tried that in the US context, and it makes a modest difference.

Canadian legal education is different from American, but it is still stratified in various ways, including ways that I have the impression many Canadian academics didn't realize until we started measuring various things. Maclean's was going to rank law schools with or without me. I am fairly confident that with my input, this has been a more informative exercise than it would have been otherwise. But I am sure we can improve it along various dimensions, including some of those noted above.

Alice Woolley

Thanks Brian. There is no doubt Macleans was going to rank the law schools, and I am very glad to have our rankings turn on things other than, say, the size of our library!

On your specific comment, the concern I have with the citations, and also with dropping untenured faculty, is that neither the original measure, nor this solution, provides a way of capturing a law school on the rise, with promising junior faculty. I would have thought a better approach might be to have three categories for citations - assistant, associate and full professors (bearing in mind also that people (I think) spend longer at those three ranks here than in the US). More weight could be given to how cited your full professors are, but some weight could be given to your junior faculty performance as well. It's also easier to determine a professor's rank - I don't think whether or not someone is tenured is a matter of public record (and it is not related to rank - you can be either assistant or associate and tenured or untenured).

I also don't see publication in peer reviewed journals as purely a productivity measure, insofar as productivity is quantitative as opposed to qualitative. I do agree that it is a less valuable measure than citations, but to the extent that getting such publications is difficult (which it can be), to the extent that the referee process provides some assurance of quality (which it does), then having a faculty where there is a high rate of peer reviewed publications is an indicator of the quality of that faculty. Not a perfect measure, but none of these measures are perfect.

On the SCC clerkship, and on public hiring generally, I am not surprised that information is hard to come by. I know precious little about this but I wonder whether the Canadian privacy legislation would impede access to data of that type without the person's consent. You are clearly correct on the provincial clerkships, and the Federal Court has the same problems as the SCC only worse. The issue in both cases is not simply bilingualism, but is also regional representation. Judges hire from their region, and underrepresented regions on the Court (like the prairies) suffer as a consequence.

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